Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Euchre - stick the dealer

At World of Card Games, we follow the "Stick the Dealer" variation of Euchre. It goes like this: After the cards are dealt, a card is turned up, and each player in turn is allowed to accept this card as the trump suit. If no one chooses it, then each player in turn is allowed to name an alternate trump suit. It can happen that no one has a strong hand, so they don't want to risk naming the trump suit, and being required to take three tricks to score a point. In that case, no one names a trump suit, and the dealer is "stuck" with naming it. This can work out fine if the dealer has a strong hand, but it can be annoying, otherwise.

Today, a player wrote me that when he had played Euchre in the past, they had the custom of "throwing in a hand and passing the deal when all the players pass twice around the table." This is sometimes called a "misdeal."

This appears to be a common way of playing Euchre. However, it does make the game last a little longer. Each time there's a misdeal, no points are scored, and you have to go through the whole deal-and-choose procedure again before any cards can be played.

I'm curious to hear from Euchre players what they'd prefer. At this point, I wouldn't want to change any rules to the games, since I'm more focused on bug-fixing and adding a few new features. But for the future, I'd consider adding more variations to the rules, or even changing them if the majority prefer a specific variation.

Finally, variations in the rules of each game fragment the players onto different tables - 4 different players can be sitting at 2 different tables, waiting for a game to start, but without the variations they'd all be sitting at one table actually playing a game! That's another reason I'd rather not add more variations, now. If and when the site gets more players, more variations won't be such a problem.

[Edit Dec 8 2015: There is now an Option to turn off the "Stick the Dealer" rule.]


davidly said...

I was not familiar with "stick the dealer" until now. I find your reasoning sound and would recommend leaving it as is - even though I hated it the first time I got stuck;-

And though I noticed at the Wiki you linked that there is a no trump default for when it passed the round twice, which would seem to be something that would not slow down the games, I fully understand that you have other issues to deal with and, frankly, I don't know how much work such modifications entail.

So thanks again for all your work!

Marya said...

Yeah, I hated getting stuck the first time as well :) It doesn't happen often enough to bug me, though - it's probably more frustrating when I have a great hand filled with a particular suit, and the opposing team chooses a trump suit that I'm void in!

I'd like to hear from people who have played the no trump default. It would take some work to implement, but as you say it's another option which doesn't increase the play time. I think it's less interesting than "stick the dealer," myself.

davidly said...

I agree. Consider me a convert; Stick The Dealer is a much more interesting wrinkle.

Anonymous said...

Leave as is, stick the dealer is how we play in a tournment.

Anonymous said...

STD is a worthless rule and is forced on players here. It adds zero fun to the game and actually makes 'good' players- (those who never get set when properly bidding), lose games on occasion. It is irritating to say the least, and especially when the opposing team congratulates itself on setting as if it is hard to do with this idiotic rule. As usual, the few percent that actually learned to play this way or that think it is fun have ruined it for the majority.

Marya said...

Anonymous @ October 17, 2015 at 7:00 AM,

The stick-the-dealer (STD) option was used to make the game go faster; online players are sometimes time-constrained.

I sometimes get set when I've been stuck, but not always, and stick-the-dealer does not ruin the game for me. The rule applies to everyone, so in that sense it is fair. It will affect everyone equally over time.

Even so, I do plan on adding an option to without stick the dealer, when I have the time.

Anonymous said...

Stick the dealer should continue as an option, however, it should not be the default.

Euchre Strategy said...

I prefer stick the dealer because it forces people to name trump. too many online players just pass. just wasting time.

Marya said...

I prefer it too!