Saturday, June 20, 2015

spades - what would you bid?

Here's a screenshot from a recent Spades card game. Check out the scores: we are nearing the end of the game. My team needs to give 1 extra trick to our opponents in order to roll them. I have no Spades at all:

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When I first got this hand, I was tempted to go nil, but I didn't like the situation in my Clubs cards; not even one really low card.

So I bid 1, hoping my partner and I could roll our opponents. I really didn't think I'd be able to take much with this hand, given that I had no Spades. Since I had no Spades, I knew everyone else was holding more Spades than usual, on average. I was counting on those Spades to win most of the tricks.

Alas it was not be! Here's the final score:
we got rolled!
I was surprised when I wound up taking 3 tricks! Of course, if I had bid 3, I probably would not have actually been able to take them. Our opponents gave me 2 tricks. They discarded a card on one of my Hearts instead of playing a Spade. And when I played my King of Diamonds, they didn't take it with the Ace.

Not only did our team not roll our opponents, we got rolled ourselves. We each wound up taking 2 extra tricks (IIRC our opponents had a total bid of 6).

I'm making this post because I'm curious to get comments about what you'd bid with the hand above. You can see the situation. It's near the end of the game, and I'd like to bid 5 so that we could possibly end with a win, but there's no way I'd get 5 points out of my hand. Possibly I should have bid 2? But we still wouldn't have won, even if we hadn't rolled. Anyone have a better idea?

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would have bid 3 and kept my fingers crossed.

Anonymous said...

I'd have bid 5. Your comment that "...I'd never be able to make 5" ignores the fact that Fishing might be able to get 2 or 3 tricks given your high cards and the distribution. He also gets the lead to start the game.

Marya said...

:)

Marya said...

Interesting idea... it might have worked!

no bots plz said...

I would have bid 3. Your P has the lead and I would hope he would start with hearts. You take the trick with the A and lead back low or high, your choice, hoping your P can trump. Then sit back and wait for your other high cards to be led....

Marya said...

no bots plz @June 20, 2015 at 5:19 PM
- I wish I remembered the history of cards played, but the details fail me now. If you'd bid 3, would your plan still be to try to roll the opponents? Even with a 3 bid, chances were good that West would bid at least 4. So if they made their bid, then the game was theirs - unless we could roll them. It seemed imperative to do that at least.

no bots plz said...

oh heck, i never think of rolling. i only think to set. its a rut i fall into all the time, so no i wasnt thinking of rolling the opps....

Marya said...

Ah! I had no confidence we could set. Figured rolling was the only way out.

Anonymous said...

Since they they only needed bag, you didn't need to underbid by two, which is what you did.

:)

- drdammit

Marya said...

Usually when trying to roll the opponent I will underbid a bit. If I bid properly, I'll be trying to take all tricks possible, leaving no extra ones for the opp. However, if I underbid, I won't feel uneasy about throwing tricks away.

Anonymous said...

I understand. I'm new to the game, what can I tell ya'?

:)

-drdammit

Marya said...

Is this another one of those cases where you are joking? You play pretty well for a newcomer :)

Anonymous said...

No way this is a nil hand. I would bid two here, since there are several ways to make it i.e. either the Ah flies, or you put the lead with LHO to make your Kd, and the Ac is a pretty safe bet.

Marya said...

When making your bid, would you take into account that both teams are nearing 500 points? Or that the opposing team is at 9 bags?

I think your bid of 2 is completely valid... However, I thought by throwing away the King of Diamonds, I might push a bag onto the other team's plate, which would be helpful with the current scores.